By Mary Fanning and Alan Jones | The American Report | November 10, 2021

Major General Paul E. Vallely, USA (Ret.) interviewed Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn, USA (Ret.) on November 4, 2021 on the Stand Up America U.S. Foundation Radio Show, hosted by General Vallely and U.S. Navy Submarine Veteran Don Smith.

“The Stand Up America US Project (SUA) was founded in 2005 by MG Paul E. Vallely, US Army (Ret), as a a public policy research organization formed (and existing) for the purpose of promoting discussion of the principles found in the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence and application of these principles to present public policy issues,” according to the Stand Up America US Foundation’s official website.

The in-depth interview, lasting approximately 50 minutes, includes in-depth discussions between General Vallely and General Flynn on a wide range of topics including U.S. elections, critical race theory in the U.S. military, U.S. border security, Joe Biden’s Afghanistan surrender and the national security threat posed by Communist China.

The in-depth interview, lasting approximately 50 minutes, includes in-depth discussions between General Vallely and General Flynn on a wide range of topics including U.S. elections, critical race theory in the U.S. military, U.S. border security, Joe Biden’s Afghanistan surrender and the national security threat posed by Communist China.

The American Report presents the following exclusive full transcript of the entire program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bClYIuT7OcU

“If we don’t fix the election system, the integrity of the system now, there’s no guarantee that the Democrats and these communists aren’t going to continue to illegally tap into our systems.”

— General Paul E. Vallely

“That we saw the surrender in Afghanistan. Eighty billions dollars plus of equipment, and I forecast [that] because I got some intel that the Chinese were going to move into Bagram weeks after it was turned over and that’s exactly what happened.” 

— General Paul E. Vallely

“So the 60,000 foot view you know of Afghanistan, particularly Afghanistan, is that the Chinese are the big winners.” — General Michael Flynn

“The Chinese want a port facility off Morocco which gives them not only an entry point to the Mediterranean but also gives them a powerful naval stance in the Atlantic like they have in the Pacific.” — General Michael Flynn

“What we lack in between the warfighters and those in the White House who are going to make a decision or not make a decision, we lack guts. We lack guts.” 

— General Michael Flynn

“Is this secretary of defense under some very strict orders? Not from Biden. He’s under strict orders from another element that’s still hanging around Washington.” 

— General Michael Flynn

“In 2017, I, with others, developed a border plan for the Pentagon and we actually sent it to the young man at National Security Council…it was a plan to not only strengthen our borders but to go on the offense and neutralize the cartels.”

— General Paul E. Vallely

“And I said ‘well, have Governor Abbott send a letter to General Austin, Secretary of Defense, and ask him if he has a plan to take down the cartels.’ And, of course, we know they don’t because they won’t come out and say it.”

— General Paul E. Vallely

FULL TRANSCRIPT

GENERAL VALLELY:

Good day everybody, and we would like to welcome a great patriot and warrior Lieutenant General Mike Flynn. We are very happy to have you on the Stand Up America US radio show.

Mike, this is a new show, we’ve been around for about ten episodes now and, anyhow, we’re building an audience, but we felt that we need to launch this radio show to really focus on the, I think the major things that the Stand Up America US Foundation focuses on, and that’s threats to America, foreign and domestic. We do a lot of studies on the threats to America. We did analysis for example on the Chinese Communist Party, which is in our archives called “Eyes on China.” We did another 80 on Canada, more in depth than even the CIA has produced that we could find, so I just wanted to give you a little background on that.

But I understand that today you have a new book coming out, or is it out already?

GENERAL FLYNN:

No, it’s not out yet, and it’s not really a book. I don’t want to call it a book. It’s a, I will say that I’m going to try to dub it as a, I describe it as “Letters from America,” and I’m going to try to describe it and capture it as a 21st century version of a Federalist Paper.

It’s about faith, it’s about faith, family, strength, courage, accountability, determination, perseverance, but I was only able to gain all of those things through the benevolence of the American people and my faith in God and certainly the strength of my own family.

It will be a little bit, probably. I’m done with the manuscript, part of it, and I’m having a friend do the copy editing, and then we’re going to put it out. And, you know, we’ll use it to raise some money for a non-profit, and the non-profit gives to family education, scholarship, and America First values, ideals, values, and principals.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Well, we look forward to that. As a matter of fact, General McInerney and I are working on a new book too. It’s called “America’s Endgame for the 21st Century” and it’s sort of a follow on from our book “Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror” that we did in 2005 about the same time General McInerney and I founded the Stand Up America US Foundation.

You know, we have so many challenges today, Mike, and I know we can’t cover them all here today, but there’s a number of things that I’m concerned about, I listed about eleven of them in our article that I wrote. Compared to when Trump was in office, I think I had three concerns. We were concerned about the Chinese Communist Party, we were concerned about North Korea, we were concerned about the Iran nuclear threat. But now, that’s more than tripled because of all the threats coming from inside the United States versus all of those, or in addition to, all of the foreign threats.

But, I don’t want to go back to much in history, but I just got a note on Peter Navarro’s new book. You know, Peter really highlighted what happened in that last part of the election. I know General McInerney and I were working on encouraging martial law then because there were so many things to do, but then we found out that Trump probably didn’t have the solid team at the Pentagon to do martial law. And I know we communicated with Sidney Powell those times as well, but I’m just so concerned that we have people like Mike Pence. I couldn’t believe Mike Pence was the Brutus in this whole thing as Peter pointed out.

So, maybe just a few comments on those last few days and your experience with the President at that time and then we’ll go on to some other things.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Well, I think that there’s a lot of research that we’ve done and a lot of research that I did, and to really tout, and you guys let me know, I will help expand your audience by my own community network that I do have and that I like to use, so, because you do a lot of great, thorough research and much more. And I think it’s the kind of research that people actually need to read instead of listening to the soundbite media that we have.

But in order to really understand what is happening, here’s what I would say is that in the final days of the administration there was a lot of decisions that could have been made. I would say that the one single big thing that really I was upset about was the people around the President, you know like you know Paul, in the military, and I have always said this, that the best plan gives you the most options right up until the last possible minute on the battlefield.

So you want to have every single option laid out for you, particularly the President of the United States, every single option laid out, you know, best case to worst case, and you want to have all of the advantages and disadvantages to each one, all of the various ramifications were I to choose this option or were I to choose that option.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Those are all of the things Mike that we learned. Mike, that’s all of the things that we learned.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Exactly. And none of that was done. So none of that, that was not done. It was not done for the Presidency of the United States of America by the team that was around Trump. And I know Peter was one of the outspoken members of his team that he did listen to, but Peter’s only one guy and, you know, we’ve learned so much from over the last year let’s say, because we’re already a year into from November 3, 2020. So, even Peter has learned a lot but the team around Trump was not a team to protect American values and American principals and, frankly, American history nor the Constitution. They were a team that wanted to kind of “let’s get past this let’s get rid of this guy Trump,” I mean these were people that were “on his” quote unquote “team” and “let’s get him out of the way and let’s move on.”

So, jumping from the last days of the administration to probably the month of March or so, there was a belief by the media, by the left, by the powers in the White House, and by the titans at, people who would have stopped worrying about election integrity and they would have moved on and said “we’ve moved forward and started worrying about the next election when in fact it has not, in fact here we are a year later still talking about election integrity. I’ve been doing podcasts this week and I’ve been involved in other conversations with other people and election integrity comes up as the number one issue, that people do not trust our elections and in fact what we just saw in some pretty highly-visible elections in Virginia and in New Jersey, New Jersey is still at risk right now in terms of not just who won, it’s gone back and forth, but the outcome and, again, after one hundred percent of one particular county’s votes came in at midnight by one hundred percent were counted, I think it was Bergen County, all of a sudden another, I think the number is another 40,000 showed up.

So, there’s this sentiment in America that our election system is broken. In the Virginia election people go “well what about Virginia.” Well, Virginia has an entire county, Fairfax County, which you know, Fairfax County is not, I understand as of late last night something may have changed, I’ve been busy this morning, that Fairfax County has, I think that they have refused to show their vote count. And so, they haven’t actually put in their votes for Fairfax, I understand, are not going to change the outcome of the election in Virginia. So now they are like back paddling to not show it.

What Governor-elect Youngkin needs to do on day one is force an audit of Fairfax County because they are going to find incredible levels of corruption in Fairfax County. So corruption exists. I’m talking to you from the state of Florida. I can tell you that I’ve had it up to here with Ron DeSantis because Ron has done some great things on one hand, but on the other hand, there is fraud in the election system here in Florida, and so just because you won Ron doesn’t mean that there’s not fraud. So, you need to go ahead and look at that because, come the next election, and it’s not to run an audit so you can protect your rear end in the next election. It’s to run an audit to say as a state that went for, in this case, Trump in the 3 November 2020 election, and we know what the results were, but we have done canvassing down here in Florida that shows egregious corruption, egregious fraud, and you know, with these mail-in ballots.

So, the last days of the Trump Administration, where we are right now and where our country is heading, we must fix our election system, get rid of these machines. There is nothing wrong with going to pure paper ballots. You and I know both that the absentee ballot system is actually an effective system if it is done properly and done by the regs and the policies if you will, and because there are people who can’t make it to the voting booth on voting day. Those are invalids at assisted living centers or those are military deployed overseas, and there are other categories of people, not many. But most people can show up and vote, or you open it up for a couple of days if you want to run an early election process.

But you have it paper. We’ve got to go back to this. And I don’t care whether we’re in the 29th century, Paul. Paper-based elections are fine in a system that we have right now. If we don’t go to that and we pretend like we are going to use these electronic machines, then we better know who buys these machines, who owns these machines, the money that’s coming into these machines, what’s inside of these machines that we have paid for, that the taxpayers have paid for.

And you know and I know this. I know this in spades. If the chip technology that exists today, you know this Smartmatic software,  you know, where this stuff is made, whether it’s made in China or some other communist country, but it’s principally China.

So they can build in whatever they want into these machines. We’ve got to get rid of them. We’ve got to get rid of them. And I think that as the American people, as we go forward here, people need to remember that we are a republic. We’re not a democracy, right? A republic means that we vote for our elected officials and then those elected officials are supposed to represent what We the People, the republic form of government. We have a constitutional republic.

Democracy is sort of a free-for-all and hope for the best. We are a democratic form of government but the specific type of government is a republic and so We the People have reneged on our commitment to stay engaged in the lifeblood of the United States of America and we have given up many of our freedoms because we’ve just sort of backed away and said “ah, I’ll let the politicians handle it.”

Well, the politicians, the established politicians in this country, as we have seen, are just incredibly corrupt. It’s about money and power and actually, power is above money.

GENERAL VALLELY:

In all of the interviews I have been doing, we keep hearing “we’ve got to wait for the 2022 elections, everything is going to change, the presidential in 2024. But like you were emphasizing, if we don’t fix the election system, the integrity of the system now, there’s no guarantee that the Democrats and these communists aren’t going to continue to illegally tap into our systems.

“If we don’t fix the election system, the integrity of the system now, there’s no guarantee that the Democrats and these communists aren’t going to continue to illegally tap into our systems.”

— General Paul E. Vallely

GENERAL FLYNN:

Exactly what they’ve been doing.

Big time fraud. And you and I aren’t throwing out the word “communist” like just a name call, right? I mean, the Communist Party of America and the Democratic Socialist Party of America which are aligned like that, they are very real in this country. They have been around for a long, long time. The Communist Party of America goes back to pre-World War One. So, they’ve been around a long time. And even before that, the sentiment of communism went back. I mean, there’s some great history even during our period of the Civil War and then the Reconstruction after the Civil War. So, this idea of control of the masses has been around for a long time. And so, we are facing communism and we are facing communism in America like we have never had before. It’s always been there before, but now it’s actually taking over the federal government and elements of the federal government.

You know, the Deep State is not, I tell people this all of the time, the Deep State is not Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. They are products of the Deep State. The Deep State is really the, what Eisenhower, you know when Eisenhower left the presidency, in his final speech to the American public he warned us. He didn’t give us a big rosy speech. He warned us, and he warned us about something called the military industrial complex because he knew it. He knew it was growing and it was growing. This was in the late 1960s, 1961 as I think when he gave it.

But now what I say, we not only have a military industrial complex, but we also have a security state complex that’s part of that. And the security state complex is the Deep State. That is the swamp. That is the large, bloated intelligence community that’s out of control, that’s unaccountable to anybody. It is the agencies and activities that do things in a very nefarious way.

The Justice Department is part of it because they are an arm of the Security State. In fact, in some cases, they lead the Security State, particularly the federal law enforcement. And they are unaccountable. They are unaccountable to anybody. When was the last time you heard of a prosecutor being indicted for lying to a judge? I mean, it doesn’t happen.

So, we are in a deep, deep state of crisis right now. And I’m not going to kid anybody, and I tell people, you know, my sort of phrase is “local action has a national impact.” And I encourage people to get involved in their local communities like they’ve never been involved before. And there are going to be those of us who fight and go and get the word out about what is happening in the federal government, what is happening. You know, it’s sort of another echelon of government activity, and we’ll keep people informed, but, most people don’t have the platforms that I have, that you have, that others that we know have.

And that’s OK, but the platforms that they do have is within their communities. At their school boards, and I’m talking about people that are my age too that maybe don’t even have kids in school anymore but they certainly might have a grandchild or a grandson or granddaughter in school. So, use the wisdom of your age and your experience and maybe go into these school boards. Maybe go run for school board if you’re in my category.

I mean, I’m still fighting at the national level and at the international level for this country. But maybe one of these days if God gives me the grace to continue on in my life, maybe one of these days I’ll, when I stop having this platform and when I stop doing this, I’ll go down the street here and I’ll run for school board and, you know, Kattie bar the door, because they won’t be teaching critical race theory or pornography in the school system that they are doing right now.

One other comment, and I’ll stop for a second and see if you have any questions. This guy George Soros, OK, because people go “ahh, he’s a conspiracy theory.” No he’s not. He’s a real person. He’s got a real organization, and he’s got a foundation that has billions of dollars. And so when you talk about George Soros getting involved in state and community, local community-level activities, it’s very real.

So, George Soros gets behind attorneys general races in states, right? Why attorney general? Because of what we just talked about. Accountability.

George Soros has foundations. Parts of his foundations get involved in local school boards in certain states that they don’t currently own. OK. These are very real things. All you’ve got to do is go look at some of the money, and I’ve done this, You’ve got to go look at some of the money, where the money’s coming from to help somebody run for a school board election. I mean, a school board election used to be, you could run if you had, maybe if you put, if you paid a thousand bucks and you put placards and you put them around your town.

Now we’re talking about millions of dollars to get a school board seat in a county? Why? Why is that the case? And part of it is to continue the culturalization of the American people and American society through education. Our Department of Education, the big building that sits in Washington D.C., needs to be abolished. They do nothing. Nothing for states and nothing for local communities. Nothing.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Reagan wanted to do that. It can happen.

GENERAL FLYNN:

It can happen. I mean, we need a president. And Trump, one of the things because I didn’t have a lot of time with Trump, and I still do. But Trump didn’t understand the federal government. That’s a weakness in his arm or that he didn’t understand. So he needed people around him and I was one of them. And then they got rid of me, right? They did a masterful job of getting rid of me early on because they knew exactly what I was going to do.

The executive power of the President of the United States can do extraordinary things. There are three equal branches of government, yes, in our constitutional republic but there is only one president, and the president has extraordinary authorities and power given to him by the Constitution.

So, he did not know the ins and outs, the strengths and weaknesses of the federal government and the federal bureaucracy and he needed somebody around him to do that and frankly, he didn’t have anybody around him to do that after I left, to include the Vice President.

GENERAL VALLELY:

That became obvious. Let me just switch gears a little bit. General McInerney and I and General Joe Arbuckle stood up Flag Officers 4 America. These are retired generals and admirals that were basically supporting America First and duty, honor, country and so on and so forth and it has been very effective. We have over 250 now general officers and admirals signed up for that.

But, here’s my question. I want to go to the leadership and as I look at the threats out there right now, I look particularly at China, their growing capabilities in space, their fleets, their army, the threat against the takeover of Taiwan which is right on their radar — they are going to do it one way or the other — but I’m concerned about the four-star generals and admirals that we have.

That we saw the surrender in Afghanistan. Eighty billions dollars plus of equipment, and I forecast because I got some intel that the Chinese were going to move into Bagram weeks after it was turned over and that’s exactly what happened, to increase their influence for their silk belt road initiative. And Colonel Sellin, Larry Sellin, an intel officer that I think you know, he and I worked very carefully on that whole area, but I’m not sure we have the generals and admirals — as a matter of fact I know we don’t — that are going to stand up and protect America. Just your thoughts on how we fix that.

President Barack Obama at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan

“That we saw the surrender in Afghanistan. Eighty billions dollars plus of equipment, and I forecast [that] because I got some intel that the Chinese were going to move into Bagram weeks after it was turned over and that’s exactly what happened.” 

— General Paul E. Vallely

GENERAL FLYNN:

Yeah, so, first of all, we surrendered to the enemy in Afghanistan and we retreated under fire, and we left American citizens behind enemy lines. There’s no ifs, ands, or buts about that. Everybody knows it. The flag officers we have, to include the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, if they presented a plan to do anything but that to the President of the United States and the President didn’t accept it and decided to do what we have witnessed then there’s at least three four-stars that need to resign or should have resigned immediately because it was an immoral, unethical, and illegal order to follow to surrender and retreat under enemy fire and leave American citizens behind.

And the fact that they didn’t tells you everything you need to know about the senior leadership of our armed forces. Either they’re weak — they’re not incompetant — that means that they’re complicit in the way that we exited Afghanistan. 

So the 60,000 foot view you know of Afghanistan, particularly Afghanistan, is that the Chinese are the big winners. 

So, and they have superb international relationships, geopolitical relationships with Pakistan. They have now, they basically own Afghanistan, they are already on Bagram Air Field and they’re basically running Bagram Air Field.

They have their Belt and Road Initiative up in the northern tiers of the Central Asian republics and they’ve signed one of the largest military and trade agreements with Russia, actually, during the Obama Administration, which most people don’t know about. It’s public. The details of it are not, but the fact that they signed that deal.

So, this has been going on for a long time. There is also a southern tier from China that they have been working on since really about 2007 you can go back to the days of the Somali pirates when we had a flotilla of an international body off of Somalia to stop the pirates from taking over all of these container ships. Well, the Chinese joined in that, and when the Chinese joined in, this is the first time that Chinese warships left the South China Sea and actually then transited all the way over to the Arabian Sea and now they…

Well, over that period of time from 2007 to 2021, they have now built a second Suez Canal, so the Chinese built a second Suez Canal, most people don’t know that, and it runs parallel to the current Suez Canal that we built, and so China actually owns a transit through the Red Sea that is a really, really important strategic passageway to get from, you know, to get from basically the southern tier of the world, the Arabian Sea up through the Mediterranean, and they have port facilities not only in eastern Africa, Djibouti, they are building another one off of Nigeria, and they have one off of Algiers.  They have one off of Algiers. You are going to see Algeria and Morocco and you are going to see tension between Algeria and Morocco in the coming years unlike we’ve ever seen because the Chinese want a port facility off Morocco which gives them not only an entry point to the Mediterranean but also gives them a powerful naval stance in the Atlantic like they have in the Pacific.

And then you take it to Taiwan.  And so Taiwan is a place, and you mentioned Larry Sellin, Lawrence Sellin. You know, I hope that you guys post all of his stuff on your website because it’s terrific.

GENERAL VALLELY:

We do.

GENERAL FLYNN:

He’s absolutely brilliant. He’s a brilliant, courageous writer. Yes he is, he’s terrific. And so, I share, I get his stuff on a list we have and I share that routinely.

But Taiwan, Taiwan is a place where the Chinese want to take it without firing a shot. They’re massively threatening all that, Taiwan. And that is a very strategic island, the former island of Formosa, the current island of Taiwan. Very strategic island to have. You know, never mind that China sees it as, you know, One China, right? It’s strategic because it is a buffer if you will, within that region of the world, with the Islands of Japan, right? South Korea, Philippines and the Philippine Basin and then other countries that are still relatively aligned with the United States, although I am very, very deeply concerned about Australia.

So, that’s sort of a strategic, that’s a geostrategic view for your listening audience to have. Now, where will our military be? I know we still have warriors in our military. I know that we still have a non-commissioned officer corps that is still, you know, they are still the lifeblood and the binding that holds this military book together. And I know that we still have leaders at some very significant levels that are warriors and warfighters.

What we lack in between the warfighters and those in the White House who are going to make a decision or not make a decision, we lack guts. We lack guts.

“What we lack in between the warfighters and those in the White House who are going to make a decision or not make a decision, we lack guts. We lack guts.”

— General Michael Flynn

And when I say guts, we lack the internal fortitude, the internal courage to do the right thing knowing that to take the easier path is a path that would be politically correct but morally, ethically, and frankly, in many cases, illegally correct. Right? It would be illegal.

So, the guts that we must find in our leaders, and I hope that they exist out there. I know that some of them, I know that some exist. You know sometimes, and I’ll say and I’ll shut up on this issue. Sometimes guys when they get to a certain level of leadership, when they know things are screwed up politically, they’ll say “well, if I stay in I can help make the right decisions, I can provide the best advice.” And they get to a place where they’re so senior and then they say “well, gee, I quit, should I resign?”

It didn’t bother me one bit when I was told “you’re no longer, your services are no longer needed,” and when I sat there and I asked two questions, and the first question was “is it a function of my leadership?” And immediately, the immediate answer was “No Mike, it’s not a function of your leadership. We think you’re a great leader. It’s because of other issues.”

And I said “I got it. Is it because of my stand on these enemies that we’re facing and we have an administration that doesn’t want to face up to those enemies,” and it was, you know, very uncomfortable rear-end-moving-in-the-chair answer and I said “no problem. I’m good. Here’s the timeline that I would ask you to allow me to step down from the military from an appointed position by the President of the United States and one hundred percent confirmed by the United States Senate, twice that happened to me, and I had no problems taking my stars at that moment, in a figurative sense, and saying “OK. I’m done. No problem.”

I didn’t feel bad about it. I wasn’t going to sit there and go “You know, if you leave me in I can kind of, you know, I can play the political game.”

Bullshit. Not in my fiber.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Well you stood your ground. You stood up.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Yeah. And I hope and pray that we have, and I believe that we do have some military leaders at the three and four star level. Because those are the levels where it really does come down to, you know, publicly, you know what I mean, a division commander can do that, and the media, particularly this media and the government would hide all of that. They would call the guy out like they tried to call me out in the media, but you know, as people dig in they go “Geez, you know. This guy, you know, here’s a reason why he was let go.”

So, are we there in the United States military today? I don’t think we’re there yet. Is this secretary of defense under some very strict orders? Not from Biden. He’s under strict orders from another element that’s still hanging around Washington.

“Is this secretary of defense under some very strict orders? Not from Biden — he’s under strict orders from another element that’s still hanging around Washington.” 

— General Michael Flynn

GENERAL VALLELY:

Biden is a puppet.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Yeah. Right.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Did you know Biden is a puppet? Obama’s running that through Susan Rice in the Executive Office Building, you know that. And Obama’s a puppet.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Yeah. Yeah.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Let me take just something that happened last week. I interviewed a young man that just left West Point. West Point changed its leadership and warriorship back in the 80s when they started hiring a lot of professors from the Ivy League schools. And a very good friend of mine, Colonel Tex Turner, head of the Ranger School, wanted to establish warriorship back into the department of tactics and so on. And, of course, he was retired early. They didn’t want that.

Now, in the last month, we’ve had a number of cadets and midshipmen leave the academies because of masking and CRT. Now, they came out and said “Well, they’re not teaching CRT.” But they are. This came from the cadets. They put young men and women together who wouldn’t get the vax and basically harassed them for weeks coming out of summer training into the fall. Many of the athletes didn’t want to get vaxxed. So we have that going on at our academies where we are supposed to grow our warriors for the future.

But they’re not tolerating. These young people aren’t stupid. But they’re not going to tolerate.

GENERAL FLYNN:

I just was told this morning, and I don’t know the guy. But he’s a professional hockey player, I guess just died of this myocarditis, you know, professional hockey player. These guys are, when we talk about cadets at West Point, these are some of the most healthy people that you’re going to be around. You know, these are athletes. They’re just super healthy. One of the things that we got away from, and we got away from this a long time. I’m not a West Point person. I was in a very good ROTC program at a state university but, you know, I mean, young officers, we don’t need young officers to be, these are smart kids anyways, right?

GENERAL VALLELY:

They are.

GENERAL FLYNN:

I mean, these are high performing, intelligent. I want people to be warriors. I want four years to teach people tactics 101 on a battlefield in the most difficult of times and I want people who have experienced combat and I want people who have experienced fear and I want people who are fearless, who have demonstrated courage, but who are also understanding of who we are as a nation and what is in our fabric. That’s who I want teaching our young people in these military academies.

And I want them to be fair. I want them to look past, I want them to be the type of people who don’t, excuse my Irish, give a shit about the person’s color of their skin, you know, or their faith, but I want them to understand that they, these are people that have to be, they have to believe in our country. What I want out of a graduate out of West Point is I want a fearless warrior who understands basic tactics, understands basic elements of warfare, and then they go off and they can get training in logistics or training in transportation or training in aviation or training in infantry or intelligence or all these other things.

And the same goes for the Air Force Academy, same goes for the Navy Academy. The Navy Academy, the crazy superintendent that they got down there now, he created a “safe space” for midshipmen at the Navy Academy in case they have, you know, a problem with their day, right? Well, there’s no “safe space” on a burning ship, you know, the submariner who’s part of your team. No, there’s no “safe space” on a submarine, I mean, give me a break.

GENERAL VALLELY:

No safe space. Yeah. No safe space.

GENERAL FLYNN:

There’s no “safe space” on the battlefield. The “safe space” is “get your head down and move forward,” you know, and it’s always forward.

So, we need warriors in our military. As you get more and more senior, that’s why we have the staff colleges and we have these war colleges and we allow guys and gals to go off to the other institutions to become bigger intelects, right? And so, what we’ve done is we’ve tried to make the academies into these Ivy League institutions to learn about different things.

GENERAL VALLELY:

That’s right. That’s right. Yup.

GENERAL FLYNN:

No! These are warfighting institutions to create warriors. That’s what it’s about. And, I mean, I probably spent too much time in my ROTC department down at the gymnasium because I loved it. I loved it. And, you know, I knew I was going to go into the army when I was a little kid, but I wasn’t a great student, I mean, until I buckled down. But what I was, was a fighter. Because you grow up in a family of nine Irish kids in a small family, you know, with a father who was a retired [unintelligible – possibly master] sergeant World War II and Korea vet, you know, that’s, life is tough because life is not fair. That’s what I want these kids to learn, that life is not fair.

Korean War Medal awarded to General Michael Flynn’s Father Charles Francis Flynn

GENERAL VALLEY:

That’s right. You probably don’t know, but Vallely is Irish as well. We come from County Tyrone and Dungannon, Northern Ireland, so I just thought I would let you know you have a fellow Irishman here.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Yeah, there you go. You were OK with the O’Neill clan. You were probably part of the O’Neill clan up there. I’ve got O’Neills in my family. And O’Neill clan, if anybody looks at the history of Ireland and looks at the O’Neill clan, that was a tough [unintelligible] up there.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Oh yeah. Dungannon and all that area.

GENERAL FLYNN:

That’s what we need for our military and that’s what I hope and I pray that our military is, you know, still does that. You know, when they say they are not teaching CRT, yes they are. They just changed the name like they changed the names of some of our school systems around the country. They changed it to some kind of socialization process, right? 

GENERAL VALLELY:

They change it. That’s exactly.

Hey, let’s get on to one other thing. I know we are restricted here a little bit. I wish we could do two or three hours but…

So anyhow, in 2017, I with others developed a border plan for the Pentagon and we actually sent it to the young man at National Security Council then, I’m trying to think of his name.

But anyhow, it was a plan to not only to strengthen our borders but to go on the offense and neutralize the cartels. And we laid out a special ops operation, covert, working with certain members of the Mexican Marinas [Marines] and special ops down that could be trusted.

So, anyhow, it didn’t go anywhere. They built the wall and they, Trump did a great job down there. Just a superb job. Well, still, we were playing defense.

So, about a month ago, I talked to a mayor down at Del Rio and he said “I understood you had a border plan developed to neutralize the cartels” and I said “yes.” He says “I’m meeting with [Texas] Governor Abbott tomorrow and I want to take that plan up,” so I sent it to him.

But here, I started getting blowback that that would be a cross-border operation. So I said, “well what do you think Iraq was, what do you think Syria was, what do you think Afghanistan was — it was a cross-border operation. And here we have more lives being taken because of what the cartels are doing with fentanyl and everything else than we lost in the Middle East in 20 years.

And so, here again, they are so frustrated down there. And I said “well, have Governor Abbott send a letter to General Austin, Secretary of Defense, and ask him if he has a plan to take down the cartels.” And, of course, we know they don’t because they won’t come out and say it.

“And I said ‘well, have Governor Abbott send a letter to General Austin, Secretary of Defense, and ask him if he has a plan to take down the cartels.’ And, of course, we know they don’t because they won’t come out and say it.”

— General Paul E. Vallely

But here we have a real enemy that’s creating so much havoc, so much death in America, sex trafficking, now they are militarized Mike, and you probably know this. They have better vehicles and arms than the Mexican Army does. They have drones, their communication, their transfer of money. But yet, we don’t have a plan to protect and go on the offense. I say again, “give me a break.” I don’t understand that. I just throw that out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyVGiJacQqI&t=63s

GENERAL FLYNN:

So, here’s a couple things. Here’s a couple things because I’m going to have to end here shortly.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Sure.

GENERAL FLYNN:

And I appreciate being on. You can go into military manuals, you know, some of these tactical manuals, and you can look up “Breaking Contact with the Enemy.” “Breaking Contact with the Enemy.” And when you look at “Breaking Contact with the Enemy,” there are different aspects of what you do in order to successfully break contact with the enemy and at the same time return to the offense, right? Because, typically, if you are going to break contact with the enemy it’s because you are probably not doing so well. So, we’re not doing so well right now, but it doesn’t mean that you break contact and you pull back and you retreat like we tried to do in Afghanistan and we were unable to. We unsuccessfully broke contact with the enemy there.

So, now let’s talk about the border of the United States of America, the southern border specifically, because of the dramatic ability of these Mexican cartels, which are actually unifying even more so than they ever unified before. So, there used to be five or six of these cartels. Now it’s actually, it’s almost becoming one giant one, like their own nation state.

So, we can actually effectively break contact, but we have to do certain things and there are ways to do that. And the wall was one of them, how we do law enforcement operations on the border, how we do interagency operations on the border, how we work effectively with, in this case, elements of the Mexican government.

And you’re right, the marines, the naval component of the Mexican military and the special operations, there is a small, a couple of small branches of them, because you have to question who you can trust. So how we work with, you know, the other side.

Zones, Z-O-N-E-S that we create in order to say these are no-man, these are no-go zones, and if you are operating in those zones you are…

GENERAL VALLELY:

No-go zones. The exact words that were in our plan, Mike. That was in our plan.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Right. No, I know, I know. And I remember, I actually remember reading it. I think you had sent that to me as well and I remember reading it.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Yeah, I did.

GENERAL FLYNN:

And very effective, actually.

So, let me just take it back to tactics, because there is a sheriff that — I don’t really have any time for Abbott, I’m sorry. There’s a sheriff by the name of Coe, C-O-E. Sheriff Coe, and he’s in charge of Kinney County, which is a border county on the Mexican-Texas border. Sheriff Coe went ahead and deputized a hundred men. And he’s trained them, he’s put them through some training, fairly rigorous training, because that’s his style.

And he said “Along our border we are going to build a fence, we are going to take what exists, we are going to continue to strengthen it,” and he told his fellow sheriffs to his left and to his right, to his north and to his south, he said, “They’re not coming in my county, so be prepared, they’re probably going to go into your county, and so if you don’t do what I’m doing, then you have to be ready to accept the burden of more illegals. But, I’m done accepting illegals in my county.”

And that’s what we need more sheriffs to do along the southern border.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Absolutely.

GENERAL FLYNN:

And I mean from the furthest down there in Brownsville all the way over to, you know, San Diego. And we know that we have certain sheriffs that are weak, that are left-leaning, and that are corrupt. We have to stop that.

The federal government, the federal government — CBP — who is a great organization, and there’s some others down there — ICE — there’s some great people who work in ICE, if they want to participate.

But a sheriff can actually say “This is my county. I’m not going to accept any federal help at all.”

Doesn’t need it. Doesn’t need to. Particularly along that border, particularly in Texas, with some of the laws…

GENERAL VALLELY:

Because he can deputize.

GENERAL FLYNN:

And he can deputize. And he did. And in this case, Coe deputized a hundred people. And that’s plenty. And these are guys on horseback. These are not people that are unfamiliar with weapons or weapons training. What they needed, and some of them are probably former military. But anyhow, so, they just need a little bit of training, a little bit of discipline, and a little bit of communications and capabilities, and they need to know their geographic territory that they are going to control, and they need to be given the backup that the sheriff provides.

So, if I deputize, just like in the days of the Wild, Wild, West, you know. Judges would deputize people who were brave and could do stuff. So, I mean, this is not movie stuff, this is real. This is what’s happening in our country today.

GENERAL VALLELY:

It’s not that difficult to plan like you were talking about earlier to do it.

GENERAL FLYNN:

No.

GENERAL VALLELY:

Well listen, I need you need to go. We are going to work very closely with you, and we’ll get you back on periodically and where I can help you out I’ll be more than happy to.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Good. Yeah, please do. And, just like that list of I think guys like [Colonel Lawrence] Sellin, I think, how you guys, I think that your site, often, let me know how I can expand it for you because you have good research documents on your site and, you know, I just want to thank [Navy Submarine Veteran] Don [Smith]. Don knows that there’s no “safe spaces” on submarines.

NAVY SUBMARINE VETERAN DON SMITH:

No. None. Well thank you General. This has been great for me to sit and listen to you two generals talk. It’s been awesome. We could do this, I could do this all day, anyway. So, thank you.

GENERAL FLYNN:

Well, you know, maybe one of the things that we do because when I’m trying to do too, when I’m out and about this country, is I’m trying to take military terminology, not soften it, but adjust it to civic action, right? Because there’s a lot of similarities. And so people get afraid when you start talking about, you know, military terminology, and you use it too much and they “oh, you know, he’s trying to, it’s like this.”

No. Actually, what I’m trying to do, is I’m trying to make people understand that this was a coup of our country and it was a takeover and, as Paul and I had the conversation about our military, our military is now, are they now, the question is, are they now part of it?

And I think that we now have a culturalization that has occurred in our military as well as has occurred in our entire education system. Because our military, you know, is a function of that education system. And I can tell you that what gives me the ability to still feel strong about our military is our non-commissioned officer [NCO] corps because we still have enough non-commissioned officers and are ready to stand up. But they will support their chain of command if it’s moral, legal, and ethical.

And I think, more and more, where the left made its mistake is they overdid the COVID thing. And with people dying from taking this vaccine, you know, even Ben Carson, who is very close to the President, Ben Carson came out in the last 24 hours and said he is totally against it and he recommends no children take this vaccine at all. And the reason why is because people are dying from it. If you’re an adult and that’s what you decide to do, you’re an adult and that’s what you decide to do. It’s your business. But you better be prepared for the consequences and you better research what’s in this damn thing.  And so they overstepped that element of control and takeover, and the American people are not going to be fooled by it. Not going to be fooled by it.

So, God Bless you guys. Thank you so much, and I’ll come back on.

NAVY SUBMARINE VETERAN DON SMITH:

Great!

GENERAL VALLELY:

Well, we’ll get you back on. What we are dealing with is an incapacitated president, a totally clueless vice president there. That worries me a lot too, especially over the next 10 to 12 months. Looking at the damage that has been caused just in the first 10 months of this year, and then all of the RINOs that say “well, we’re going to wait until 2022,” look at the damage that can be done in the next 10 months.

GENERAL FLYNN:

The establishment Republican Party is done. They are worthless. And we need to find fresh blood, fresh ideas, American ideas. There is nothing the matter with putting America first. If America’s first then the rest of the freedom-loving world will be right there with us.  

GENERAL VALLELY:

Absolutely. Well, thank you Mike, and we’ll be back in touch.

NAVY SUBMARINE VETERAN DON SMITH:

Thank you so much. God bless.

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